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. and if not because religion is a protected group there could be a reo religious claim brought against them. gay people are not protected from any kind of discrimination by the religious print. >> in that analogy, the gay group is not a religious group so if this law passed they couldn't argue on religious grounds that they wouldn't print up this stuff for the west borough baptist church. >> exactly right. what's really striking about this, nobody except for at the very end i thought it was really telling he used the example of gay people. nobody is willing either tonight or in your prior interviews to say the word "gay" in defending bill. an entire interview they tap danced around the word "gay." if you go to yarbrough, he was up front about saying the situation in new mexico where a photographer was forced to take photographs of same sex couples commitment ceremony or wedding. >> she was sued because she wouldn't in new mexico which violates the state statutes in new mexico protecting discrimination against people based on sexual orientation. but you're right. early on a lot of lawmakers were
appalling to hear a dialogue that talks about using religion to discriminate against both myself and my community. you know, when i was in high sdoo school, i was actually assaulted because i was gay. as a result, i spent most of my life down playing the fact. you know, i don't ride in pride parades and i don't really wear it on my cuff, but i really feel compelled to really put it out there. you know, i don't think that we deserve a bill like this anywhere in this country. >> joining me now, damian klinko, the arizona state representative you just heard from and washington post columnist jonathan capehart. what made you speak about the bill the way you did, using your own personal reference, which as you said is not something that you are inclined to do. >> i used my own story because this is a personal attack against me and everyone in the lgbt community in the state of arizona. the community doesn't deserve this sort of treatment. and i don't think there's ever an excuse that we should sanction discrimination against a minority group. it makes me sad and disappointed in a state that
across the country. here's the meat of 1062 in arizona. "exercise of religion means the practice of or observance of religion, including the ability to act or refusal to act in a manner substantially motivated by a religious belief whether or not the exercise is compulsory or central to a larger system of religious belief." here is hb 376 in ohio. "exercise of religion means the practice or observance of religion. it includes but is not limited to the ability to act or the refusal to act in a manner that is substantially motivated by one's sincerely held religious belief, whether or not it's central to a larger system of larger belief." it's almost identical language, and that's no accident. sb 1062 and hb 376 and legislation in other states all share the same legal genetic code traceable back to a number of christian conservative special interest groups in the case of 1062, an outfit called the center for arizona policy, another called the alliance defending freedom didn't just push for the bill they also helped write for the bill much that's what representatives from both organ
of religion bill, and peter sprigg, who supports it. what should government do if religious freedom lets some people discriminate? tonight on "crossfire." >> welcome to "crossfire." i'm van jones on the left. >> imt s.e. cupp on the right. guests on opposite sides of arizona's religious freedom bill. both major league baseball and the nfl are playing intense pressure on governor jan brewer tonight. mlb will neither support for tolerate any word, attitudes or actions that imperil the inclusive communities that we have strived to foster within our game. there's word that the nfl might move the super bowl out of arizona. look, i'm a republican, i'm for religious liberty, i am not for this bill. i think it goes too far. but it does raise important questions, not just about religious freedom, but market freedom. and the government should not compel business owners to provide services to everyone no matter what. and if you think i'm wrong, i bet i can change your mind tonight. >> you're pretty persuasive, but you're up against a big tide of public opinion on this particular set of issues. we're goi
to refuse service to a individual if that owner believes doing so would violate their religion. it is important to note that similar laws have been struck down in new mexico and we respect the freedom of religion, it cannot be used for a exkoos for individuals to treat residence of that state whether it is [inaudible] based upon some perceived identification and treating them as inferior based on their religious beliefs mpt 1062 is a dangerous precedent [inaudible] so long as they claim office under their religious beliefs. i want to note that since the state legislator enacted sb 1062 a nov civil rights leader and officials and businesses and mbs of different parts of the industry including the torest of industry flout the country have come out against 106 fwo and urged governor [inaudible] in fact arizona senators bob [inaudible] peerpal that were in support of the bill sent letter to the senate and governor urgeer her not to sign this bill. as the mayor of [inaudible] i think it is important for us in san francisco, a sitee that has lodge been at the for front of protecti
does. >> in arizona, unlike other states, while there are protections based on rarks religion -- race, religion, national origin, there's none on sexual orientation. so already a business can say, "i don't serve gays", this is deflated. does it grant protection for gays or businesses to go ahead and discriminate. i think what it has done is shined the light on the fact that arizona is a state that does not offer protection for gays. folks rallied around that saying "why not?" >> how has it hurt the state? >> arizona had a history of problems, whether it's pr problems or not. after the governor of arizona cancelled a holiday for reverent mart mart martin luther king, a lot pulled out. if it does not change the laws, it underscores the question of does arizona think of itself as a friendly state. does it see itself as a place welcoming to everyone. for a company like apple. apple decided to build a plant here with 1200 employees. they are a gay-friendly company. they may think "do we want to located a plant where some. our employees may not feel welcome" >> what does it say about the st
services, perhaps. someone on the basis of the fact that they are homosexual and their religion forbids homosexuality, their sincere about it. it's a sincere belief they should be able to do that. that's an order of magnitude greater than the legal right to deny services to a gay wedding where religion is clearly involved in the sacriment of marriage. >> we hear from folks on the religious right who say they feel religion is under attack. >> i look at this bill and wonder whether this is a reaction, an over reaction to people who feel under attack on this score. and in the end, you know, they may have struck back in a way that's deeply offensive to many, and potentially dangerous to folks who are gay and lesbians who need medical services and other services denied potentially. >> that's right, and i think it's a little hard to tell, with the bill not having been signed and put into effect and tested as it would be in the courts, exactly how the bill would play out. if in fact as the critics claim, it would go so far as to allow a christian doctor who was deeply conservative in his relig
're homosexual and their religion for bids homosexuality, that seems to me that is a magnitude greater than legal rights to deny services to a gay wedding where religion is purely involved in the sacrament of marriage. >> what is this about? we hear from folks on the religious right they say they feel religion is under attack i look at the bill and wonder whether this is a reaction, an overreaction, to people who feel under attack on this score, and in, in the end, you know, they may have thrust back in a way that is deeply offensive in a way to many and dangerous to folks who are -- needing medical services being denied. >> well, that is right. and i think it's a little hard to tell with the bill not having been signed and put into affect and tested, it was a would be in the courts. exactly how the bill would play out f it's fact it would go so far as to allow christian doctor deeply conservative in his views to deny treatment it's hard to imagine this, but i suppose it's possible, if that is the case it seems to be a big huge overreach. but i, look. this goes to a larger question. it's do peopl
for that in religion. we're talking about marriages, about those ceremonies that really when you participate in them as described in the package about being artistic, you're affirming of something that runs counter to your religious beliefs. >> you're saying i can't ban -- i have the bill in front of me two pages for me saying you can do this if the person's refusal to act is moat have aed by religious belief. you're saying to me if i'm -- someone could ban me from coming in if i was married to another woman but not if i was simply a lesbian and not married to the woman? it's gay marriage that's your problem? >> that is -- it sets in place this has to be a religious belief that is deeply held and you can't just come up and create a religion. you can't come up and say, i'm not going to serve somebody this food and that would be inconsistent with a christian world view. christians want to serve people. where the issue is, and this is what happened in new mexico, what drove this was that you had a christian photography if i company that was sued for not photographing a same sex wedding ceremony. that's
be treated equally. you know that there should be no violence there should be no compulsion in religion everybody should be free to follow their own religion. i knew would not sign it. and the people who don't believe those things stand on tues the token it would help moderate muslims to distinguish themselves from extremists. but muslims themselves say it's just another way of singling them out and it doesn't look any way that is what leads to you know fascism against other communities this is what it meant you will all happen. normal people can be spent reading all of the next target would mean anyway. a job along the cobbled get them to sign a code of conduct. the winery that has policies like these become part of everyday life. sue is not afraid to be a foretaste to the community against community and to fight in society. doris smith ot london. also when ridden a meter of cortez all homeless across the eu could potentially be given arabs or restore their heads in the blink of an eye. what a shocking number of homes across the continent standing anti war news of nrg dot com for more
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were unconstitutional and discriminatory because they focus on race and religion according to the center for constitutional rights ruling by judge william martini has confirmed what many muslims in the us the year and vowed to appeal the decision. i think our clients and many more americans fear after nine eleven that they don't have recourse to the same constitutional rights and protections of americans do this is the type that confirms their worst fears one pizzeria owner in new york city who happens to be a muslim said his customers get harassed by undercover police officers. i thought seen them before because it doesn't ford will cause unpleasant from those of my friends they come to visit me in the pizzeria that opening with a chance. i give somebody a hard baby the tupelo were out of sight well the problem. mumbai police plan to go. he's really just might erode that it was legal because the police could not have monetary new jersey for muslim activities without monitoring the muslim community itself and the nypd is the intention was not to discriminate against muslim
not of religion, necessarily, but of money and money matters and talks. you know that. >> absolutely. i see this as a business story. anyway, we appreciate your story very much. free market capitalism, it's blind to things like race, religion, color, gender and sexuality. that's the economics of it. while i have enormous respect for religious freedom and beliefs, i just don't see this as the key issue in the discussion. that's why i think governor jan brewer should veto what really amounts to a gay discrimination bill and an anti-business bill as well. but many people disagree with me. here now to discuss outgoing business insider, politics editor, josh bare row and we welcome kathy, senior fellow at the family research council and spokesperson for the u.s. catholic bishops. kathy, let me begin with you. you're talking to a pro life catholic. you probably know that. >> i do. >> on this one, i think the capitalist free market principles quite frankly trumped the religious issues. tell me why you disagree. >> this is the same balancing test that ted kennedy and chuck schumer voted into federa
businesses to use religion as an excuse to legally refuse service to anybody. gosh, now that's a pretty broad-brush, you know. no matter what brewer decides, it hasn't been fast enough. at the center of the storm is this person right here. you know what, there's just a damn good political operative in every state in america, isn't there? here's a good one for the conservatives, here name is kathy her rod. she's the president of the center for arizona policy. she's the architect of 1062. kathy herrod is not an elected official but wields power. she may be more powerful than the governor herself in arizona. >> in 2011, we reached a pinnacle for us that the arizona legislature over the last 15 years has passed 101 bills supported by center for arizona policy. those bills run the gamut of life, marriage and family and re religious liberty, we're blessed we've reached 100 bills and looking forward to the next 100. >> they're very blessed. there are hundreds of people like kathy herrod who work in the background to get this going, crafting legislation and then they push their own agendas. where are
burden a person's exercise of religion even if the burden results from a rule of general applicability, a rule applied to everybody. now what the law does, what the law would do, this law that the governor is looking at, is make a couple of amendments. first of all, it would not apply just to a person but to a business as well. so a business could assert a religious freedom interest. and basically what it would do is give businesses who refuse to serve someone for religious reasons a defense if they get sued. so that's how the law would change the current religious freedom restoration act. it would apply to businesses. they could go to court if they're sued and say, you know, it was our religious -- this is our religious freedom. it would violate it to serve someone if we believe that would interfere with our practices and beliefs. >> so, pete, there are people who are making the argument against the law saying, well, listen, maybe a muslim business owner will say, i don't want to serve christians or maybe the law could be used in some other way. somebody who had an objection, let's sa
of a truth in history. if you can actually identify somebody and take that person's religion, as it were, adopt it and -- the holy roman empire under constantine did what anyone would do. they take a narrative that appeals to them and apply it to their situation. i am not aware of any other inup of people who go so far opposition to who they are and what they look like, but we swallowed it wholesale. >> is a brainwashing or conditioning? a certain amount of brainwashing thinking we cannot be capable of divinity, redemption, or being a conduit thereof, but i think we have been conditioned to think of ourselves as lesser because we cannot identify that image. that image is really important, ,he man with the flowing robes blonde hair, blue eyes, looked absolutely -- if you go there today, nobody looks like that. and that was a time pre-era, so even more he would have looked african, ethiopian. constantine in particular, took that story and made the image into themselves, and then the holy roman empire went about conquering the rest of the world, and they took this image of the holy savior,
a national debate on religion and gay rights. the governor has been in washington, dc the last five days for a conference. last week the arizona legislature passed a bill to allow business owners to deny service to gays based on religious beliefs. several corporations including apple, say it would be bad for business. former republican presidential candidate romney is among those urging governor to veto the bill. katie marzullo will have more on the developing story at the top of the hour. >>> alameda county supervise (o)ors -- supervisors are going back to the drawing board called laura's law. under the law a judge can order outpatient treatment for people with a history of severe mental illness. each county must decide whether to adopt the law. supervisors were divided and decided to delay the proposal for 90 days while health officials come up with a better set of recommendations. >>> a new five career agreement to have google turn the downtown corridor of mountain view into a wireless holt spot. google is replacing the wi-fi network which is not functioning because of technology chan
to gays or people of religions that do things they don't agree with. several state senators regret their vote for this bill but one republican is still supporting this. >> they are free agents. felt if they have responded to all of the pressure, it has been intense, that is okay. they are all good friends of mine. steve pierce voted for this bill but now he is ptelling the governor he hopes she vetoes it. how do you respond to your colleague that says you and others have caved on this bill? >> he is a good friend. we have not caved. we had reservations at the beginning and we saw the outcry and realized it wasn't right. >> the bill says a business owner, church owner or coperation can deny service if motivated by religious belief if it burdens their belief. what did afraid would happen? >> it has gone from reality into perception and what is perceived is overriding of the bill. perception is it is a bad and going to be specific to gays. we didn't intend it that way. my colleague and i never thought it would be like that but that is the perception and horrible for the damage it is g
religions give people guilt, tom. >> andy, this sinting. i was obsessed with jewish girls in high school and college. i asked one of my girlfriends, what is going on with the jewish religion? she said, we believe the same thing as you, except jesus and hell. >> that's not bad. when people were asked to write about heaven and hell those who picked hell reported more sadness. maybe sadder people chose to write about hell than heaven. >> it is a matter of focus. >> i was saying they were sadder to begin with and that's why they chose to write about hell. it was not writing about hell that made them sadder. it is a chicken and egg thing which is a inett tau fore thing. >> which came first, the chicken or the egg? do you believe in hell and if so what are your thoughts? >> the club i worked in last weekend unconfirmed that. it was pure hell. it was walking hell. it was the oldest people just -- it was like working purgatory. i was in -- >> you believe in purgatory? that's a catholic thing. i believe in purgatory. >> you can't make the decision right away. it is based on a true story. that's w
of legislation. tell me how this is tied to, and maybe differs from arizona's freedom of religion laws. >> that is an interesting question, how did arizona get to this moment? i wish we could speak to that, but where would we begin. the freedom of religion law passed in 1999 and existed at the federal lovel level in 1993. we inserted a line in this newest incarnation of the bill that talks specifically about a belief being sincerely held. that's where people are getting hung up and feeling like everybody feels that their beliefs are sincerely held. that is language added to this bill, and some say it clarifies. >> say the governor signs this piece of legislation into law, and businesses turn away gays and lesbians lead to go discrimination lawsuits. would it be up to a judge to determine the sincerity of a business ow owner's religious convictions? >> reporter: in arizona the state does not prohibit gay or lesbian. in three of our largest cities they are. in that case the city would have to bring case against the individual business owner. so a person, i, couldn't bring a lawsuit again
's exercise of religion without showing compelling government interest. the orange states are states that if passed rfra-like provisions by court decision. you can see that in the wall street journal if you want to learn more about that. we are skipping with our colors. renÉe is waiting in california. good morning. caller: i wanted to correct one thing here. iticus that talks about man laying down with man. you guys get the views from the homosexual side but you also need to get the other side here. i don't believe in same-sex marriage. i hate the fact that people always want to compare homosexuality with racial. that has nothing to do with it. it is a lifestyle that they choose. i am an a store and christian, i should not be forced to make a cake for two women or two men. that is my right. the thing about it is, god will in the end.al say his were never changes. it is all the same. it was a sin before and it's a sin now. god does not hate the sinner, he hates the sin. you worry about the example of the wedding cake. that example also brought up in today's washington post in their l
right to, a, practice your religion and not engage in a contract. >> both of arizona's u.s. senators along with ceos of apple and american airlines are urging governor brewer to veto the bill. she has rejected similar legislation in the past. she has until friday to decide this bill's fate. >>> all right ball -- i called you ball. paul! the forecast is rolling! the rain is coming. >> that's a segue. we saved ourselves. [ laughter ] >> we have rain coming regardless of what -- don't worry about my name. worry about the weather, which is changing. 80 degrees close to it yesterday. by this time tomorrow, your loved ones will be caught in an epic drive home. if you can work from home or leave work early tomorrow, do it because it is going to be a rough evening commute tomorrow. today we saw an increase in clouds and also a decrease in temperature as a southerly wind took over. that's a cooler flow of air for us. san francisco 50s right now. santa rosa 55. oakland and san jose 61. nothing on the radar yet. by this time tomorrow there will be moderate to heavy rainfall over much of the bay
believe that's the moment when the 1960s began. here was this confluence of what would be race, religion, politics, the civil right struggle, and it exploded from there. >> it was a terrific birth of something great. ali is born. >> reporter: he literally was born in that moment, right? >> he was born in that moment. he was born. >> reporter: the next day, the new champ announced he was a black muslim. cassius clay had climbed into the ring; muhammad ali had climbed out. jim axelrod, cbs news, miami. >> pelley: and that's the cbs evening news for tonight. for all of us at cbs news all >>> your realtime captioner is linda macdonald. has learned.. the google bae is about to say 'bye to its current home in the bay. >>> now at 6:00, after all the mystery all the secrecy, tonight kpix 5 has learned the google barge is about to say good-bye to its current home in the bay. good evening, i'm elizabeth cook. >> i'm ken bastida. tonight, the richmond city council will consider offering google an invitation to use its docks for finishing construction on the google barge. new at 6:00, kpix 5's alle
experience in chinese. it's just didn't want to remain unnamed. when it's ninety s religions teach him how to get a model for these cupcake needless to say to his creation. sadly it seems the street and design star incomplete. the kitchen tap she's coming down to the once and for many and today is a top tourist attraction in north wales the eye. he knew knew who knew . well we welcome across about all things considered i'm peter labelle going to extremes all across europe right wing anti eu parties and groups are gaining strength and in some cases respectability. what accounts for these hard economic times or the growing alienation and frustration with the euro project could be said the new rite is really the whole ride but
of -- you know. but in the end he agreed the basis of their religion and ideas are is love. >> i don't do you find the time. >> i got plenty of time. >> you say it's easy. >> got plenty of time to go here and go to lunch. >> you have 20 businesses, 30, 40 businesses. >> no, i don't want 40 businesses. >> you have 20. >> i don't know how many i have but not 40. >> 25. >> a lot of smart people and i have less businesses than that for sure. >> you have more than 10? >> not even 10. >> you have more than 10. >> no, i have the all def digital. one music, one thing that has components to it. i have fashion and culture. >> you write books. >> i write books. >> you are in films. >> films and books -- i am in the film business, yes. and i am an a are no, yes. >> and you have the yoga thing going, the new spiritual center and yoga center. so that's a thing. >> that's a thing. you can count things, i have things. >> okay. >> they are not all businesses. >> we are getting mired in semantics is what i am saying. >> i have a lot of stuff going on. i handle it. i know what do you want do. i don't know a
's rights to exercise religion freely and not about being anti- gay at all. >> they have determined somehow that the bill is something that it is not and we have moved in the world of perception as opposed to the world of reality. >> there was a bill similar to that last year to get changes to it that the governor vetoed last year. there is some pres dept here. >> does she need to make it by saturday? >> here's the thing. she doesn't have to make a decision at all. and it would be a law by saturday. but officially she has to make it by saturday. we believe that she is going to make a decision. >> everyone is waiting on that. >> and there is a new push to get to the bottom of the irs targeting scandal. the powerful house committee trying to get a central player to answer the question. >> i have been advised by the council to not to testify or questions related to the subject matter. >> is this getting lois lerner back on the hill? >> it is a top warning about planning for a full withdrawal in afghanistan. how it could encourage the enemy and there is this. >> that is on board of a school bus
the religious community. >> it is discrimination couched behind the belief of hiding behind religion. >> the super bowl is on the line, the big game will be layed in see fix and the nfl says the policy emphasize tolerance and inclusiveness. the governor needs to make the decision by saturday night. there is widespread speculation she will veto the bill. >>> new details involving the petaluma slaughterhouse accused of processing diseased animals. the details could be disturbing. the company recalled eight million pounds of beef and is under federal investigation. the company is accused of killing and selling meat from dairy could yous with eye cancer. they were allegedly piling sick cows, chopping off the heads to avoid detection and illegally selling the meat. it is fought likely to make you sick with no illnesses reported. >> another dog is okay after a chose call with a poisoned meatball planted in san francisco. the owner forced the pet to spit out the meatball and went to the vet. 41 suspicious meatballs have been found in twin peaks and richmond. a dog died in july after eating
that called virginia's ban on gay passenger unconstitutional. a pal just released by the public religion institute, it finds a majority of americans, 53 appearance, now support gay marriage. that same survey put support at only 32 appearance just 10 years ago. >>> there are new developments from ukraine tonight. the u.s. is once again crashing with russian president vladimir put putin, secretary of state kerry warning vladimir putin to be careful after he ordered military drills near the ukrainian border. >> reporter: the russian defense minister may have denied there's any connection between president putin's sudden military order today and events unfolding in ukraine. all one really needs to do is take a look at a russian-ukrainian border where these complex war games will be playing out the next six days or so and see how close it is to ukraine's flash points, like the pro russian eastern ukraine, just to understand what might be called vladimir putin's unspoken message, something like don't push me in my own backyard. still, for several days now we've seen one russian official after
and prohibit discrimination based on age, gender, race, religion, sexual orientation, or any other in proper standard. anncr: at jennie-o we heard of a place in iowa where every thursday people ride 10 miles for tacos. we thought we'd show up and surprise them with a better kind of taco made with jennie-o ground turkey cooked thoroughly to 165. i feed my kids turkey tacos over regular tacos any day. i think they are light and they are just fresh tasting. yeah. when i eat well, i feel well. anncr: it's time for a better taco. the tacos tonight were pretty much perfect. make the switch. look for jennie-o ground turkey in a store near you. >> reporter: according to t m z, the bird in miami beach prosecutors would not strike a plea deal in his dui i case reportedly d d eight is offering a no contest plea to reckless driving with sting strings attached. that thebeebs must submit to random drug testing for six to nine months. but apparently that is a no from his camp so get ready for a court room battle and in florida that includes cameras in the court room at stake justin could be tried for three
a hotly debated religion bill, business leaders across the state are calling on governor jan brewer to veto the proposed law or risk damaging the state's image and its economic recovery. >> opponents now include the arizona chamber of commerce, the arizona super bowl host committee, apple which has major interests in this state, and both americans airlines and mare rot. now, as local and national businesses are making their voices heard, politicians both in and outside of arizona are pushing to distance themselves from the law. three senators from arizona who voted for the bill are now, actually, get this, are urging the governor to veto it. and state senator steve pierce told chris hayes last night, it was some sort of crazy mixup. >> i believe it was going to be slowed down, wasn't going to come to the floor as soon as it did. i can tell you there's a number of us that we were terxting eac other madly, do we go with it, do we not? so we made a mistake. that's about all i can tell you is we went the wrong way. >> yes. they went the wrong way. and it's too late to reverse that becau
the case in arizona, businesses to use religion as a defense in a private lawsuit. so to give you an example of how that might play out, you know, let's say you live in a state where it's illegal to fire someone because they're gay. now, if one of these bills passes, that company could turn around and say, oh, hey, i think homosexuality is a sin, therefore i'm going to fire you and i don't need to abide by this law. so, you know, that lawsuit provision is a big deal. >> i know in some of the cases, in some of the states where they've been considering this, the lawsuit provision works in such a way not only can you not sue somebody for discriminating against you, but if you do, you have to pay their legal fees as well as your own so it's almost a punishment for even complaining about being discriminated against. it's fascinating stuff and fast-moves story. dana lieblson, reporter for "mother jones." nice to see you. >> thanks for having any. >>> the federal prosecutor's investigation of the george washington bridge scandal in chris christie's new jersey has taken a turn today. we'v
of vatileaks and the istituto per le opere di religione-- from the bank, from also some cases of corruption with the narco business, some cases of pedophilia. the credibility of the church is in terrible danger. what is necessary to do? how can we listen to the voices of the holy spirit in order to change? because everybody knew it was necessary to change many things. >> narrator: pope francis has shared that message in the most unlikely places. >> (translated): the phone rang. "i've got the pope on the line, and i really don't think we should keep him waiting." >> narrator: eugenio scalfari is the founder and editor-in-chief of la repubblicaitaly's leading newspaper on the left. he is also an atheist. >> (translated): the conversation we had started with some jokes, because that's his way. he said, "some of my advisors have warned me to be careful talking to you because you're a clever man and you'll try to convert me." me, converting the pope! >> narrator: the pope had phoned to invite scalfari for a chat. it would be a wide-ranging discussion which scalfari described in an article that
businesses to turn away gay customers. in the name of religion. >> arizona governor jan brewer is under intense pressure to veto, tweeting overnight that she will do the right thing for the state. more now from abc's cecilia vega. >> outrage at the state capitol. as governor jan brewer faces a decision, does she sign into law a bill in the name of religious freedom to refuse to serve gay people or veto it. but companies are pouncing, saying the law would create an unfriendly climate that's bad for business. joining the chorus, marriott hotels. tech giant, apple. which has plans to open a 2,000 job high-tech plant in the state. and american airlines. whose ceo wrote, this bill send the wrong message. mitt romney chimed in urging a veto. even the nfl weighs in. with next year's super bowl set to be played in arizona, the league says it supports tolerance and inclusiveness. >> it is discrimination couched behind the belief that i can hide behind my religious beliefs. >> the opposition has been loud, but you from the backers of this bill so far we are hearing silence. we tried to find busin
emphasize tolerance and inclusiveness and prohibit discrimination based on age, gender, race, religion, sexual orientation. governor brewer has until saturday to veto the bill. hough, just a few hours ago she tweeted "i assure you, as always, i will do the right thing for the state of arizona." i throw it to you, joe. >> first of all, this was such a needle lesless battle that repus of arizona put on the front pages of papers nationwide. i say needless ba lesless becaut hard to believe that the supreme court would ever allow a law to be upheld that would let somebody that own as restaurant deny service to somebody because of their sexual orientation. for those who say, well, somebody should be able to do that based on their devout religious beliefs, do you then give -- because if you're going to allow somebody to not serve a customer based on their sexual orientation because they see that as a sin, that then allows other restaurant owners in arizona to decide they're not going to serve someone who himself been divorced, like myself, or someone who has committed adultery, or if you want
. businesses could deny service to gay customers based on religion. jan crawford is in washington with some of the backlash and new details. jan, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, norah and charlie. last night back out in arizona, brewer tweeted, i assure you, as always, i will do the right thing for the state of arizona. now, she's expected to make her decision no later than friday and insiders are saying it is increasingly likely that she is going to consider the right thing here to be a veto. [ chants ] >> veto! >> reporter: since the arizona legislature passed the bill last week, there have been almost daily protests. [ chants ] >> shame on you! >> reporter: it's all part of a tidal wave of opposition to the proposed state lay which would make it easier for businesses because of their religious beliefs, to deny service against gays and lesbians. supporters say the law is designed to protect religious freedom, especially for small businesses like wedding photographers and bakeries that may have religious objections to same-sex marriages. k cathi harrod helped
gays. it could not be further than that. people need to be able to exercise their religion freely in our state. >> adam housely has the latest. >> even the governor herself is calling the bill controversial. she returned home to a fire storm in arizona and tweeted out she is going to do the right for arizona. the republican lawmaker will go over it with the legislation and talk about the bill. it allows business owners to not serve or cooperate with customers. it is being seen mostly as as an anti-gay bill. american airlines, apple and other businesses are urging her to veto. the nfl hosting the super bowl and weighing in and the host committee said it would deal a significant blow to the economic growth potential and all sorts of heavy weights coming out against this. governor mccain is urging for a veto. and several lawmakers who pushed it through changed their mind >> we had reservations at the beginni beginning. we saw how it would damage to state and decided it wasn't right and we made a mistake. >> reporter: the bill's authors are saying their intention is being misconstrued
blooded murder. british government said this was nothing to do with religion or faith. of course the jury in the court agreed. it took them just an hour and a half, 90 minutes to sentence these men to convicted these men and for the four men of the jury to say they were guilty. >> sentencing has been delayed over life tariffs. can you explain what these are? >> the life terms, life is the mandatory sentence for murder, so these men will get life, but life in the u.k. does not always mean life, it comes with a caveat in a lot of cases. it could be with a minimum term of 20, 30, 40 years, therefore a killer could potentially be released in the future. this is the kind of case where you have members of the public, newspapers saying throw away the key, they should never be builds. the trial judge said when these men were convicted, he was delaying sentencing, waiting for a key court case which we all knew was coming, it happened last week here, the court of appeals judges ruled that some killers can be sentenced without question to life behind bars, their entire life, they will never, ever be
directly in the face of our religion. one of our core values as christians, we believe, is to love your neighbor as yourself. this bill is seeking to under a guise of religious freedom, it is seeking to give people license to discriminate. that doesn't love your neighbor as yourself. >> in the meantime, more national companies are urging a veto with a deadline a few days away. at&t, delta airlines, intel, text smart and yelp joined the earliest opponents of this bill. >>> a scathing senate report accuses credit suisse of helping wealthy americans of hiding billions from the irs. it was money hidden in panty hose, secret meetings in hotel l lobbies with no paper trail. christine romans is here with answers >>> the top brass at the bank of credit suisse, they acknowledge the behavior and say they have cleaned it up. senators are furious that this went on for so long. the government, the u.s. government, didn't do more to stop it. no question. today, right now, we're getting a very good look at the lifestyles of the rich and greedy. the numbers are shocking. according to the senate investi
whatever you want with your religion. you don't want to marry a man don't marry a man but don't put your hangups, whatever it is you have, you can't put it on other people. even jan brewer there's no way she'll not veto this thing. >> is certainly looks like she'll veto it. >> i want to see the guys that wrote this bill. where are they from? where have they been hiding? >> hold on. i would not paint an entire party with the same brush at all because it's totally, they're totally separate. >> where are you going with this now? >> you know where i'm going with it. >> with the only people happy about the mixed race commercial were republicans? >> no. >> if you look at the party plank the same points you pointed out to eric cantor, wait a second, why don't you recognize same-sex marriage. >> the far right, they're trying to just like obama cobbled together a coalition of different interests the far right is afraid to go against the deeply religious whatever. >> and democrats were in the same position until the president came out and said that he had changed his mind about it. this is a recen
's religion in canada. >> also people should know, the movie is coming out in spanish and korean at the same time. >> in america. >> in america. >> did you just shoot -- do you shoot a lot more? roma, you star in this movie. you're terrific as mary. did you guys shoot a lot more scenes out there? >> we did. we knew when we were shooting "the bible" series that the jesus narrative began to unfold that we had something spectacular, and jesus hasn't been on the big screen for 10 years. 50 years since this was told. we shot additional footage. we put the movie together and this friday it opens in 3,000 theaters across the country. >> wow. look at you. >> roma just told me an amazing thing. tell me about abe foxman with the jewish -- >> we have worked across denominations and reaching out to the jewish community through abe foxman at the ado to make sure we told this movie sensitively setting a political and historic context. >> right. >> presenting the story in a way that really just emphasized the love of jesus, and mr. foxman gave us a great endorsement from the ado. >> that's terrific. >> a f
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